Join Lindsay as she interviews Bryan Buchanan from Benchmark Books about the post-manifesto marriage period and the conflict it created among the LDS Quorum of the Twelve.
Podcast: Play in new window | Download
Subscribe: RSS
Links mentioned in this podcast:
- Email Bryan Buchanan
- BENCHMARK BOOKS LDS BOOKS: NEW, USED & OUT-OF-PRINT, RARE
- Spring 1985 Dialogue Issue
- Some chronology from The Prospect of Ready Access: Annals of the Apostles, 1835-1951
- Bio of Henry S. Tanner–By Reason and by Faith: The Life of Henry S. Tanner (Chad M. Orton)
- Bio of Rudger Clawson, The Making of a Mormon Apostle: The Story of Rudger Clawson
- Brian C. Hales, Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalism: The Generations after the Manifesto
Lindsay I’m so glad you added this. I like the ice house location…gotta remember that one.
1. Wilford Woodruff et.al. expect Jesus to return suddenly to his Temple in 1890 by the prophecy of Joseph Smith one of which is in the D&C.
2. The word “Sanction” is overused. Do you know what it means?
sanction /sangk’shən/
noun
The act of ratifying, or giving permission or authority
Support
Official permission, authority
Motive, rationale for obedience to any moral or religious law (ethics)
A penalty or reward expressly attached to non-observance or observance of a law or treaty (law)
A military or economic measure taken by one country against another as a means of coercion (politics)
transitive verb
To give validity to
To authorize
To countenance, permit
To penalize, esp for failing to observe a law or treaty.
3. Do you understand the importance of the Second Anointing, here? Consider also the Second Anointing and the calling of Stake Patriarch.
4. Ask about Judson Tolman. My wife’s ggrandfather.
5. Ask about the plural marriages of David O McKay, Joseph Fielding Smith, and J. Reuben Clark.
Wow. This podcast was all kinds of fun. Thanks for recording this one! I’ll also definitely check out Benchmark Books.
Wonderful episode. I am looking forward to more detail on this point in history. One thing a lot of Anti-Fundamentalists will argue is that post manifesto, or post second manifesto that the issue was resolved, and plural marriage ended. But history is not that simple. So what date should we look to for the end of plural marriage? or what date should we look to for when the split occurred between fundamentalists and mainstream churches? I think it is more reasonable to look to 1922. Now your discussion didn’t get quite that far, but in 1922 there is a first presidency letter that goes out and denies the 1886 revelation, and instructs the church as a whole that polygamists who take new plural wives are no longer to be considered in good standing. Before 1922 there is a dispute developing with these debates and trials in the quorum of the 12, but in general the membership of the church is still in limbo about what is going on, and whether plural marriage is still going on. 1922 is a turning point in that Heber J. Grant becomes president of the church and starts taking opposition to plural marriage to the rest of the church. He also reorganizes the church legally, and places himself at the head of all the legal decisions. So the church will stop having this grey area of who is in charge, and who controls church property, and who can or cannot authorize anything, including plural marriages. It all gets centralized in Heber J. Grant. This reorganization of the church legally and doctrinally is the basis of the LDS church today. This gives rise to the leadership of the “council of Friends” among the fundamentalists, and the “follow the prophet” idea of the mainstream. Joseph Musser and Joseph Fielding Smith then exchange a lot of letters really hammering out the boundaries of orthodoxy as they see it. It all starts during a meeting they both attend, (I think it was a stake conference) and in that meeting they offered the sacrament. (I know that the sacrament is no longer offered in a stake conference setting, and this may be why!) So when the sacrament is blessed they offer it first to the man who is presiding at the meeting, and they walk right past Joseph F. Smith (much to his embarrassment) and offer the sacrament to Musser. This really offends Smith, who says: “Why do you think Musser has more authority than me? I’m the member of the 12 assigned to this conference, (the highest church authority that was there.) and Musser isn’t even a member of the church!” The response is that Musser is the head of the priesthood and the priesthood is higher than the church. This really infuriates Smith and the first presidency when they hear about it, so they write back and forth and in these letters Musser and Smith really define what will become the doctrine of the church and the fundamentalists and how it will differ. Smith and the church start teaching that the priesthood can only be in the church, and that the church and the priesthood are the same thing. This leads to LDS terminology such as “general authorities” and to fundamentalist terminology such as “The mother church” With Musser defining the priesthood as over the church, and the the church dependent on the priesthood, with both as distinct ideas and even organizations. This leads to the famous fundamentalist publication called “A Priesthood Issue” http://gospelfullness.wordpress.com/2017/07/12/a-priesthood-issue
This comment is turning into a blog post! I’ll stop, but knowing this history really helps us understand the reasons and the reasoning behind many church policies and doctrines which are still in force in the church today!
You are a very bright individual!
Very interesting subject, regards for posting.
Sweet internet site, super design, very clean and utilise friendly.
I like what you guys are up also. Such intelligent work and reporting! Carry on the excellent works guys I have incorporated you guys to my blogroll. I think it’ll improve the value of my site 🙂
Hi, Neat post. There’s an issue with your site in internet explorer, might check this… IE nonetheless is the market leader and a good part of other people will pass over your excellent writing because of this problem.
You are my inspiration , I possess few blogs and occasionally run out from to post .
Terrific work! That is the kind of information that are meant to be shared across the web. Disgrace on the seek for now not positioning this submit upper! Come on over and seek advice from my website . Thank you =)
Can I merely say exactly what a relief to seek out somebody who actually knows what theyre discussing on-line. You definitely realize how to bring a difficulty to light and earn it critical. More people have to read this and see why side with the story. I cant believe youre no more well-liked simply because you absolutely have the gift.
Way cool! Some extremely valid points! I appreciate you writing this post and also the rest of the site is also really good.
Hi, I do believe this is a great site. I stumbledupon it 😉 I will revisit yet again since I bookmarked it. Money and freedom is the best way to change, may you be rich and continue to help others.
Having read this I believed it was extremely informative. I appreciate you taking the time and energy to put this informative article together. I once again find myself personally spending way too much time both reading and posting comments. But so what, it was still worthwhile!
Excellent site you’ve got here.. It’s hard to find high-quality writing like yours these days. I seriously appreciate people like you! Take care!!
Do you believe in your past life? Do you think is reincarnation real?
This is the right site for anybody who wishes to understand this topic. You understand a whole lot its almost hard to argue with you (not that I really would want to…HaHa). You certainly put a new spin on a subject which has been discussed for many years. Wonderful stuff, just great.
That is a very good tip particularly to those new to the blogosphere. Brief but very accurate information… Appreciate your sharing this one. A must read article.
Everything is very open with a very clear clarification of the challenges. It was really informative. Your website is very helpful. Many thanks for sharing.
I was more than happy to find this web site. I need to to thank you for ones time for this particularly fantastic read!! I definitely loved every part of it and i also have you book-marked to see new information in your website.
A further issue is really that video gaming became one of the all-time most significant forms of recreation for people of any age. Kids participate in video games, and also adults do, too. The actual XBox 360 is just about the favorite gaming systems for people who love to have hundreds of activities available to them, plus who like to learn live with some others all over the world. Thanks for sharing your opinions.
Your style is so unique in comparison to other people I have read stuff from. Many thanks for posting when you have the opportunity, Guess I’ll just bookmark this site.
An interesting discussion is definitely worth comment. I think that you should write more about this topic, it may not be a taboo subject but usually people do not discuss these topics. To the next! Cheers.
good https://www.wooricasinokorea.com 스포츠토토
Aw, this was a very good post. Taking a few minutes and actual effort to produce a top notch article… but what can I say… I put things off a lot and don’t manage to get nearly anything done.
Good info. Lucky me I ran across your website by chance (stumbleupon). I have book-marked it for later.
good site https://www.wooricasinokorea.com/fxmargin FX마진
I used to be able to find good information from your blog articles.
This web site certainly has all of the info I needed concerning this subject and didn’t know who to ask.
Great information. Lucky me I came across your website by accident (stumbleupon). I have book marked it for later.
nice https://www.wooricasinokorea.com/baccarat 바카라사이트
Howdy! I could have sworn I’ve visited this blog before but after going through a few of the articles I realized it’s new to me. Anyways, I’m certainly delighted I came across it and I’ll be book-marking it and checking back frequently!
Your style is very unique in comparison to other folks I’ve read stuff from. Thank you for posting when you’ve got the opportunity, Guess I’ll just book mark this web site.
A motivating discussion is definitely worth comment. There’s no doubt that that you should write more about this topic, it may not be a taboo subject but generally people do not speak about these subjects. To the next! Kind regards!
FreeSpinner was developed to help you getting the results you need.
Hi there! This article couldn’t be written any better! Looking at this post reminds me of my previous roommate! He always kept talking about this. I most certainly will forward this article to him. Fairly certain he will have a great read. Thanks for sharing!
It’s very simple to find out any matter on web as compared to books, as I found
this article at this website.
Pretty enlightening advice you’ll have remarked, warm regards for writing.
This is a very good tip particularly to those fresh to the blogosphere. Simple but very accurate info… Appreciate your sharing this one. A must read article.
This is a good tip particularly to those fresh to the blogosphere. Brief but very accurate info… Many thanks for sharing this one. A must read article.
I’m really inspired along with your writing talents and also with the format in your weblog.
Is this a paid subject matter or did you customize it your self?
Anyway stay up the nice high quality writing, it is uncommon to peer
a great blog like this one today..