Join Lindsay as she interviews Brielle Decker, one of two women who have escaped being married to FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs.
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Join Lindsay as she interviews Brielle Decker, one of two women who have escaped being married to FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs.
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You are really doing wonderful things. What I want to know is how did you mange to get Warren Jeffs house..that is a really coup.
The land is managed by the State and the state has a judge and a Charitable Trust to distribute the land to people who helped build it etc. I qualified under the criteria because I was a wife.
you are doing a wonderful thing. Getting Warren Jeffs house is a real coup. How was this done?
These cults have a couple of thousand Jaycee Lee Dugards in the custody of hundreds of Phillip Garridos with no Rebecca Baileys to clean up the mess. The only difference between these girls and Jaycee is they were born into captivity not kidnapped into it. They did not chose that life any more than she did. Their brainwashed parents, at one time victims themselves are coconspirators In their abuse and exploitation. Keep in mind that they have been kept isolated all their lives and don’t have fantast idea what’s going on in the real world. Like Jaycee they have been fed a steady diet of highly deceptive and manipulative misinformation. Much of it unrealistic unsupported ultra extreme religious rhetoric and threats. Just to name a few they believe Warren Jeffs is the president of the united states and is going to get out of jail tomorrow. They don’t believe inbreeding is real. They don’t believe man ever stepped foot on the moon and NASA doesn’t exists. They have intentionally introduced phobias, fear and shun outsiders, the internet and every other form electronic or printed communication. With no alternative point of view they can be told just about anything and they will believe it. They are unlikely to ask for help.
SEE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Dugard
Unlike Jaycee when they escape polygamy they lose their family not get them back. They do not get a penny from the state and are totally on their own to sink or swim. They all have issues, face seemingly insurmountable challenges and are in need of counseling. These Escapes are not always successful. Sometimes the dragon wins. Some girls make repeated unsuccessful escape attempts. Some file for emancipation and are denied. Some take their own lives. Some who have access to information about tax fraud , welfare fraud, money laundering and hidden assets try to take down the organization from inside, by supplying it to the government. Some run away and are returned to the cult, which has custodial rights yielded to them by their parents. This effectively makes them the property of the cult. They all suffer in silence and fear.
There are two main groups the FLDS(Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) headed by The Profit Warren Jeffs(serving life +20), in the south and a splinter group called The Kingston Group or The Order headed by The Profit Paul Kingston(under investigation), around Salt Lake city. These two should share a cell with Philip and Charlie. I wonder how they would get along. Both groups are the subject of a variety of federal and a few state investigations for many violations and have many members in jail or on the run. Despite that most of what they do goes uninvestigated. There are also many civil suits pending against them as well. You would be amazed at what goes on in these groups. Both groups tell their members that gods law is above man’s law so they above the law. They are descended directly from god and there for superior to mere mortals like us(gentiles). Many people view these groups as organized crime syndicates not churches. Paul Kingston being called the John Gotti of religion. You will have to decide for yourself what they are.
The children are exploited in every way that children can be exploited, sexily, fanatically, genetically, nutritionally, educationally and neglected. They face a life of malnutrition and food shortages, due to the size of their family. They receive absolutely no support from the father, who has a dozen or so wives and a dozen or so kids buy each one. At age 8-13 they are sent to lying school to be taught to shun or lie to everyone outside the cult especially non cult police, social workers and welfare workers. At 12 to 13 the girls plan their wedding to an assigned husband, usually an uncle 30 years there senior or a cousin who may already have multiple wives. If they resist they are sometimes beaten by their own father. They may be reassigned at a later date. All cult members are already 5th or 6th generation inbred. Stillbirths and horrible birth defects not uncommon and becoming more common with each generation. Many of the babies have very short lives. If they live to see their first birthday their falsified birth certificates are filed(in Angel and Starlet’s case none where filed). At a minimum the father’s name is ether blank or factious. If the mother was underage her name and/or the birth date might be as well. Unlawfully falsified to protect the cult and the parents from charges of truancy, child labor law violations, incest, polygamy, rape, statutory rape and lack of child support. By 15 or sometimes earlier they are out of school and are working long hours at subminimum wages or script if they are paid at all. Many girls have been repeatedly molested buy their husbands to be. Viewed as breading stock, by 16 or maybe sooner they are celestial or spiritual(not legally married) wives, pregnant, working for a cult owned business and are expected have a child every year from then on. This is how the Mormon church and the cults built their numbers into what they are today. They claim to double in size every year and expect to take over North America. With their incredible birth rate they might do just that.
I don’t know what these girls did to deserve to be born into a polygamist cult. Maybe they’re not righteous enough to be endowed by their Creator with unalienable Rights. They certainly do not have Liberty, may not refuse sex, may not communicate outside the cult, may not own anything and they do not have freedom of speech. They are not free. The police in short crick will not help these girls. The police are members of the cult and totally corrupt. If Jaycee had been born in to one of these cults she would still be behind walls destitute, without hope of rescue and her daughters would face the same. No one in the cult is allowed to communicate with the outside world, no TV, newspaper, internet, books magazines, etcetera. Of course there are lots of walls and fences. Walls, cameras and the god squad(vigilantes) are every ware to make sure there is no communication with the outside world. They are kept totally isolated. If they had knowledge of the outside world they might be tempted to make decisions in their own best interest. Heaven forbid such a thing.
While the high ranking members, the Philip Garados of the church(cult) get fresh cute young naive wives every year or so. There aren’t enough left for the lower ranking men. The surplus boys are apostatized(banished), destitute, uneducated, sometimes illiterate, shun by family and friend alike, warned never to step foot on church(cult) property again or else. Exceptions are made if they can buy their way back in($5,000 or so) or bring a fresh wife in from outside the cult. A least until they get kicked out again and their wife reassigned to a high ranking member. The high ranking elite members live a luxurious life style with all the sex, money and power that their hart could desire while the lower ranking members go hungry, especially the children.
SEE: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger
Reform looks unlikely. Without outside intervention I don’t see it happening. 62.2 percent about two thirds of population and two thirds of the electorate of Utah is Mormon. Which means The Mormon church, which operates behind closed doors is the government without any form of checks and balances. The equivalent of one party rule. The Mormon church receives 10% of the memberships income, about $7 billion a year. Plus interest on previous years income. No elected official can attain or stay in office without at least their tacit approval. Although the Mormon church under duress renounced, at least publicly polygamy in 1890 it uses and has used the same tactics to grow into what it is today. They are not going to give up even a small portion of the money and power they have just because of a few thousand abused and hungry children. They may still have soft spot in their heart for polygamy and all the evils that go with it. They are not motivated to enforce existing law or eliminate loopholes written into it. Children don’t vote or make campaign contributions.
To reform these groups the first thing you would have to do would be to amend all the falsified birth certificates. That would mean almost cult wide DNA testing. Second close loopholes in those laws to make them enforceable. Penalties and resources would have to be sufficient to ensure compliance. Third corrupt law enforcement and public officials would have to be replaced with non cult or corrupt motivated people. That would allow enforcement of truancy, child labor, incest, rape, statutory rape and child support laws. Forth new legislation would need to be passed to stop other abuses. To get that passed it would have to be carefully worded as to not affect or offend the Mormons. Convince them of such and that still that might not be enough.
All of this about the FLDS polygamy is absolutely awful! I am heartbroken to hear it. I am a Mormon however and I will say that the false information and opinions you wrote in this about Mormons are completely inaccurate. Mormons in the Church of Jesus Christ or Latter day Saints (LDS church) absolutely false. The Mormon church does not use polygamy “to grow it’s numbers” as you stated. Polygamy has been banned for well over a hundred years in the church. Life was very different on this planet back then, not just in the LDS church. We have nothing to do with Polygamy and definitely don’t support or practice it. FLDS and “Mormons” are as different as Buddist and Catholics it is an entirely different religion. The LDS church gives up millions or dollars to support hungry and abused children all over the world. Please check your facts before casting such horrific accusations that are horrifically incorrect.
Oh Ashlee –
As a lifelong member, 45 years, in the mainstream LDS church, it has it’s shit that it hides too.
Research – read and uncover the awful amount that is hidden daily. Child abuse that goes unreported and is covered up/paid out by the corporate church is crazy. Hush money is rampant in the court syspem. No, the mainstream LDS church is a juggernaut of hidden crimes, hidden financial charities that are the faces for more crimes, etc.
It is difficult to hear this – I know, but I really admonish you to dig, go where the church says ‘Satan’ is (the internet, the so-called-anti-Mormon books) and read what you’re told not to! No, Satan isn’t trolling under the bridge there, but some BIG lies we’ve been told as ‘chapel’ members.
Good luck – God bless and research the hell out of the history of LDS Inc.!
Hi, I just want to say, if I grew up believing that I had no hope things would not only be worse for me, but for many others. I do know quite a bit about how to help and am learning more everyday, I still believe in hope, and have seen many good things many as a result of trying, determination, and desire. I believe that a person that doesn’t try has lost, and is worse off then anyone else. They loose everytime from discouragement, judgement, and failure. I believe many children have survived and as many as possible desearve a chance. I know my beliefs are mine and I have the right to say, but don’t think I expect everyone to accept, everyone should have a voice especially if they are Americans, born free
Briell I just wanted to say you’re badass. Seriously. You accomplished an amazing feat especially after being raised in a culture that allows you no choice or agency. Most people wouldn’t be able to do what you did.
Just wanted to emphasize a point that Brielle tried to make in podcast & didn’t get across like she wanted…. the people with the most likely ability to help people in the Flds is people who have never been a part of the religion. People with no hidden agenda of converting us to another religion. The safety net has done an amazing job the last 4 years of offering help & not being a threat. Offering the people a way of making money& communicating their needs until they learn if you are safe. Dentists, doctors, health care providers, police, all need to be aware of the potential cry for help someone may be asking for. Your kindness goes further than you know!
Briell,
Only half way through the podcast. Just wanted to say you’re doing great and there’s many good things to come with an attitude like yours.
Sorry about the siblings. I had a few like that myself. I’m sure many thought of me as the pessimistic sibling. In many ways I was. Take it from me, people that are negative to others are really just people that hate their own life.
I’ll finish the podcast tomorrow.
Keep it up,
Plygkid Kid
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I just wanted to say I listened to that and well done for getting out. I think it’s a testament to B’s internal strength and intelligence (and probably also a relatively loving family in FLDS terms anyway and perhaps slightly later marriage at 18) that she was able to do so.
For me the Code was the most interesting and confusing part. Also I think it’s appalling that biological Jeffs children would be placed with non biological mothers although I can see the reason for that as it extends control. It is like any state and indeed groups in Africa who take children as child soldiers. Take children from their biological parents or turn them against them and you protect the leaders better and control the people more.
Good luck with the engagement/marriage and the exams. For me exams and career have always been the key protection both for me and the children.
I just cannot get over a religion which thinks letting men have more than one woman would work or be natural or God’s plan. if it were God’s plan then surely there would be 3 times as many women born for each man?
Brielle
I too once lived in Short Creek
If I could be of some assistance, please let me know
I would like more information regarding your cause and the April meeting at the Jeff compound
Please let me know the meeting dates
Regards
Richard
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