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  • Aaron Glazier

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    Hi Lindsay,

    I’ve heard a few of these podcasts but for the most part I know of you for your continued contribution on the Mormon Matters podcasts. I always love your input there and always find myself nodding emphatically along to your comments. I appreciate that you don’t seem to sugar coat things as much as some of the others, which is really refreshing for me.

    I wanted to ask you a couple of things: 1) was it your FB post that I saw John Dehlin share where there was a service project and/or opportunity to help the FLDS in “Tent City”? I would like to contribute some funding if you know how I can do that.

    Secondly, in your research, to what extent do those living or having had lived polygamy have threesomes (or more I guess)? Is it common? Non-existent? Was it allowed? Expressly prohibited? I know it sounds like a crude question, but I really feel the answer speaks to the supposed origin/authenticity of the revelation of polygamy or if it truly was made-up by man. Whatever you can share is appreciated.

    Keep up the good work!
    Thanks,

    Aaron

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  • Shamus

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    I’m almost to the end, but episode 91 links to episode 82. I’ll finish what’s there but could that link be fixed? Thank you!

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  • Charlie Pemberton

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    On year of polygamy pod cast on 1890 manifesto and something about Mormon writers response the numbers in the late 50’s. Error 404 comes up. I’m enjoying your cast and thank you so much for a fine job. I’m a friend of Ogden Kraut who died back in 2002. I think he would of loved your show. His wife is Anne Wilde whom I believe you have talked to. I love your guest and research. Very fair and even handed. It has given me a well rounded perspective. Your awesome. Keep it up. I have had the opportunity to do deep research myself back in the late 90’s when I was going to BYU. May you and your family have peace and joy. Charlie Pemberton

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  • Timothy Birt

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    Lindsay,
    I want to present an unconventional theological argument about how eternal relationships might work.

    First, I want to say that I am heterosexual, monogamous, active LDS. I acknowledge that polygamy has been discriminatory devastating and often fundamentally unfair to women and that it is very disturbing and repulsive to many people today. If women are property and second class citizens in the eternities subjected to husbands, the practice seems ungodly and harmful.

    That said, let me have us imagine eternity and that relationships can continue into the eternities. Now many of us have loved more than one person during our lives. We can and do choose and can be monogamous with our chosen partner. Some of us are confident that we have found our eternal monogamous heterosexual partner and that we will be happy with them for all eternity and that is great.

    Yet some of us have a spouse who dies and we fall in love again and then if our relationships can continue in the eternities how would we choose which to stay connected to and which would we give up if we were wanting to stay eternally monogamous? What pain for the second spouse who is not chosen and what happens to the not chosen spouse? If relationships continue then things are messy. Lets say a man marries two women in life and both women in the eternities are ok with being in a plural eternal relationship? So who are we as monogamous believers to tell them that they can’t organize their eternal relationships to how they choose to do so with their agency. What right do we have to tell them because we believe in monogamy that others have to live eternally only with one partner and stay with that heterosexual partner forever to satisfy our sense of moral correctness?

    Now when we realize that the LDS Church has changed its policy and now allows woman to be sealed to another man after the death of a spouse. So if the option to have more than one spouse eternally is not limited only to men but is also open to women, then it may mean that women are not eternally second class citizens eternally.

    Now implicit in eternal relationships is agency, that all people consent.

    If we add based on D&C 132:66 that God will reveal more about the law in the future, that same sex marriage should be approved and polyandry allowed eternally, then we can allow people to choose who they want to live eternally with without being sanctioned by others.

    Netwok relationships would exist with a man married to more than one woman who are married in turn to more than one men and or women. We seem to manage blended families and blended parenting so why could it not be manageable in the eternities?

    Imagine thou not having the ability to enter into and leave relationships in the eternities? Well not so good. So we need to add the ability to enter into and change and exit relationships in the eternities.

    So for me the genesis of polygamy may actually be a way that we can provide agency and fairness to eternal relationships. If relationships can be eternal then, to me I need to be accepting of other’s choices and it to be all ok.

    Let me know what you think.

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  • Ricky Mostacero

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    Have you thinking in record a spanish version? it’ll be extraordinarie.

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  • Mindy

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    I’m trying to listen to them in order, but the link for Episode 91 actually takes you back to episode 82. It makes me sad. Can that be fixed please? It does it both on the FMH site and Year of Polygamy site. Thanks!

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  • flameburns623

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    In attempting to listen to the podcast on the AUB, I have noted a couple of times now that the podcast restarts early in the program, at approximately the point where BH Roberts and Reed Smoot are being discussed. I had hoped that waiting a week or so would give the problem time to work through bu so far, no luck. Thanks!

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  • lizybeth

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    I recently ordered and read Ms. Pearson’s book. As someone who is the descendant of poligamists, I’ve got “plural marriage” coming at me a dozen different directions. Like most women, I don’t like it at all. Because of poligamy I had no interest in my great-great-grandfathers because I didn’t like how my great-great-grandmothers and their children were treated. For example, my great-grandmother wanted to go to college, but because another half sister her age didn’t want to go to college, they opted not to send her. Where’s the sense in that?
    Also, I have a great-great-grandfather who married my great-great-grandmother when she was barely 14 – or younger. I realize at the time, it was common for girls to marry as soon as they entered puberty, but she was just a few months older than some of my great-great-grandfather’s children. She was an orphan and I realize she really needed help, but should he have adopted her instead. He also married two of his nieces – his brother’s daughters. How desperate were those girls to get married. This was all at the behest of Brigham Young. What was he thinking?????????????????????? Wasn’t this incest.
    In another case Young encouraged another great-great-grandmother to marry a man he had specifically asked to marry her. The marriage barely lasted a year. Where was the inspiration there??????
    Another great-great grandfather married a second wife after his first wife, my great-great-grandmother had died. He later deserted her for a 16-year old and basically turned the other wife into the “farmer” where she supported both families. He was the bishop at the time during all this.
    There were so many injustices and massive hurts along the way. It’s still not fair nor is it right. Women aren’t chattel nor are they property. They should be allowed to be sealed to more than one man. A female friend of mine has been sealed to both her husbands the second of which she was married to longer than the first guy and who she also had children with. A widowed or divorced woman shouldn’t be considered less than because she’s been sealed to another man. The whole thing proves such a gigantic mess that, it’s true, only God can straighten it out. I think it all boils down to giving women equal opportunities in marriage and allowing them to be sealed to more than one man.

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  • Ruth Regen

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    Episodes 59 and 60 link Error 404 pages. Can you please get this fixed? I’ve been listening in order, and these two missing episodes are on extremely interesting topics. I don’t want to miss them!

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  • Dave

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    These cults have a couple of thousand Jaycee Lee Dugards in the custody of hundreds of Phillip Garridos with no Rebecca Baileys to clean up the mess. The only difference between these girls and Jaycee is they were born into captivity not kidnapped into it. They did not chose that life any more than she did. Their brainwashed parents, at one time victims themselves are coconspirators In their abuse and exploitation. Keep in mind that they have been kept isolated all their lives and don’t have fantast idea what’s going on in the real world. Like Jaycee they have been fed a steady diet of highly deceptive and manipulative misinformation. Much of it unrealistic unsupported ultra extreme religious rhetoric and threats. Just to name a few they believe Warren Jeffs is the president of the united states and is going to get out of jail tomorrow. They don’t believe inbreeding is real. They don’t believe man ever stepped foot on the moon and NASA doesn’t exists. They have intentionally introduced phobias, fear and shun outsiders, the internet and every other form electronic or printed communication. With no alternative point of view they can be told just about anything and they will believe it. They are unlikely to ask for help.
    SEE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Dugard
    Unlike Jaycee when they escape polygamy they lose their family not get them back. They do not get a penny from the state and are totally on their own to sink or swim. They all have issues, face seemingly insurmountable challenges and are in need of counseling. These Escapes are not always successful. Sometimes the dragon wins. Some girls make repeated unsuccessful escape attempts. Some file for emancipation and are denied. Some take their own lives. Some who have access to information about tax fraud , welfare fraud, money laundering and hidden assets try to take down the organization from inside, by supplying it to the government. Some run away and are returned to the cult, which has custodial rights yielded to them by their parents. This effectively makes them the property of the cult. They all suffer in silence and fear.
    There are two main groups the FLDS(Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) headed by The Profit Warren Jeffs(serving life +20), in the south and a splinter group called The Kingston Group or The Order headed by The Profit Paul Kingston(under investigation), around Salt Lake city. These two should share a cell with Philip and Charlie. I wonder how they would get along. Both groups are the subject of a variety of federal and a few state investigations for many violations and have many members in jail or on the run. Despite that most of what they do goes uninvestigated. There are also many civil suits pending against them as well. You would be amazed at what goes on in these groups. Both groups tell their members that gods law is above man’s law so they above the law. They are descended directly from god and there for superior to mere mortals like us(gentiles). Many people view these groups as organized crime syndicates not churches. Paul Kingston being called the John Gotti of religion. You will have to decide for yourself what they are.
    The children are exploited in every way that children can be exploited, sexily, fanatically, genetically, nutritionally, educationally and neglected. They face a life of malnutrition and food shortages, due to the size of their family. They receive absolutely no support from the father, who has a dozen or so wives and a dozen or so kids buy each one. At age 8-13 they are sent to lying school to be taught to shun or lie to everyone outside the cult especially non cult police, social workers and welfare workers. At 12 to 13 the girls plan their wedding to an assigned husband, usually an uncle 30 years there senior or a cousin who may already have multiple wives. If they resist they are sometimes beaten by their own father. They may be reassigned at a later date. All cult members are already 5th or 6th generation inbred. Stillbirths and horrible birth defects not uncommon and becoming more common with each generation. Many of the babies have very short lives. If they live to see their first birthday their falsified birth certificates are filed(in Angel and Starlet’s case none where filed). At a minimum the father’s name is ether blank or factious. If the mother was underage her name and/or the birth date might be as well. Unlawfully falsified to protect the cult and the parents from charges of truancy, child labor law violations, incest, polygamy, rape, statutory rape and lack of child support. By 15 or sometimes earlier they are out of school and are working long hours at subminimum wages or script if they are paid at all. Many girls have been repeatedly molested buy their husbands to be. Viewed as breading stock, by 16 or maybe sooner they are celestial or spiritual(not legally married) wives, pregnant, working for a cult owned business and are expected have a child every year from then on. This is how the Mormon church and the cults built their numbers into what they are today. They claim to double in size every year and expect to take over North America. With their incredible birth rate they might do just that.
    I don’t know what these girls did to deserve to be born into a polygamist cult. Maybe they’re not righteous enough to be endowed by their Creator with unalienable Rights. They certainly do not have Liberty, may not refuse sex, may not communicate outside the cult, may not own anything and they do not have freedom of speech. They are not free. The police in short crick will not help these girls. The police are members of the cult and totally corrupt. If Jaycee had been born in to one of these cults she would still be behind walls destitute, without hope of rescue and her daughters would face the same. No one in the cult is allowed to communicate with the outside world, no TV, newspaper, internet, books magazines, etcetera. Of course there are lots of walls and fences. Walls, cameras and the god squad(vigilantes) are every ware to make sure there is no communication with the outside world. They are kept totally isolated. If they had knowledge of the outside world they might be tempted to make decisions in their own best interest. Heaven forbid such a thing.
    While the high ranking members, the Philip Garados of the church(cult) get fresh cute young naive wives every year or so. There aren’t enough left for the lower ranking men. The surplus boys are apostatized(banished), destitute, uneducated, sometimes illiterate, shun by family and friend alike, warned never to step foot on church(cult) property again or else. Exceptions are made if they can buy their way back in($5,000 or so) or bring a fresh wife in from outside the cult. A least until they get kicked out again and their wife reassigned to a high ranking member. The high ranking elite members live a luxurious life style with all the sex, money and power that their hart could desire while the lower ranking members go hungry, especially the children.
    SEE: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger
    Reform looks unlikely. Without outside intervention I don’t see it happening. 62.2 percent about two thirds of population and two thirds of the electorate of Utah is Mormon. Which means The Mormon church, which operates behind closed doors is the government without any form of checks and balances. The equivalent of one party rule. The Mormon church receives 10% of the memberships income, about $7 billion a year. Plus interest on previous years income. No elected official can attain or stay in office without at least their tacit approval. Although the Mormon church under duress renounced, at least publicly polygamy in 1890 it uses and has used the same tactics to grow into what it is today. They are not going to give up even a small portion of the money and power they have just because of a few thousand abused and hungry children. They may still have soft spot in their heart for polygamy and all the evils that go with it. They are not motivated to enforce existing law or eliminate loopholes written into it. Children don’t vote or make campaign contributions.
    To reform these groups the first thing you would have to do would be to amend all the falsified birth certificates. That would mean almost cult wide DNA testing. Second close loopholes in those laws to make them enforceable. Penalties and resources would have to be sufficient to ensure compliance. Third corrupt law enforcement and public officials would have to be replaced with non cult or corrupt motivated people. That would allow enforcement of truancy, child labor, incest, rape, statutory rape and child support laws. Forth new legislation would need to be passed to stop other abuses. To get that passed it would have to be carefully worded as to not affect or offend the Mormons. Convince them of such and that still that might not be enough.

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  • Kenneth Shaw

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    Wow. This is all wonderful stuff!

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  • Seth

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    I registered for Sunstone Short Creek but haven’t received any info. How will I know if I am registered?

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